{Replica} Skilled labor shortage - a fairy tale: A job for the engineers Karen & Sandra

123 Responses to "{Replica} Shortage of skilled workers - a fairy tale: A job for the engineers Karen & Sandra"

1. Years

   A high level of flexibility when choosing a career is definitely important to me. My father trained as a car mechanic and now has a job as an engineer. Engineering is his dream job.

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2. Engineer123

   Hallo,
   I am an electrical engineer, have a master's degree from a technical university within the standard period of study and good grades. I'm in my early 30's now and have had a couple of years of working life.
   I have been so underchallenged and bored my entire professional life, there is not enough to do with every employer and most of the time no engineer is required for the activities (but according to the job advertisement this is absolutely necessary).
   I've decided that I want to become a manager very quickly, out of interest, but also to escape boredom.
   At the age of 29, married (no children), I wrote over 70 applications.
   In the end it worked out and after 2 months full of enthusiasm, my company canceled my probationary period early and gave me a lot of praise. All the bosses I had before also joined in the enthusiasm, I have top job references.
   In some cases, it was also suspected early on that I wanted to achieve more and that I was only at the beginning of my personal career ladder. But no one did anything against my boredom, which I had been reminded of over and over again. Even the additional tasks that I was given after my complaints did not lead to any real improvement.
   So two worlds don't fit together. Young women who have a stamp on their forehead (threatening pregnancy) and who are not taken seriously in a male-dominated domain (it is still possible that the first woman who has ever worked here is even better and faster than the men with the long professional experience) and against this there is an alleged shortage of skilled workers (70 applications!!).
   It has happened to me again and again that I applied (suitable positions) and was then invited to a position for which I was completely overqualified (sufficient training / clerk position, but I applied for a team leader).
   Incidentally, I know more young engineers in their late 20s/early 30s who work totally below their qualifications...

   I am now in a position where I can at least try to counteract this system and the lie about the shortage of skilled workers in my department.

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   1. Simone Janson

      Hello Ms. Beyer, it is unfortunate that this matter, the alleged shortage of skilled workers, still has to be discussed. I was on a TV show on the subject back in 2014 and apparently nothing happened. https://berufebilder.deskilled worker shortage-recruiting-hr-ard/

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3. Benjamin

   Great contribution, great discussion - keep it up!

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4. Leonard

   Very exciting discussion, even if she is already a little older!

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   1. Simone Janson

      Thank you for your comment!

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5. The discussion about the shortage of skilled workers here in the blog - Part 1: A summary of my ARD interview | PROFESSIONAL PICTURES

   [...] ILDER. DE started in the summer of 2009 and mostly involved engineers. A young woman named Karen complained very angrily that she had completed her studies and had experience as a working student and a thesis [...]

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6. Embarrassing dispute over DIW study, media crime and successful crowdsourcing: shortage of skilled workers or not? | Profession pictures by Simone Janson

   [...] Wirtschaftsforschung (DIW) says labor market researcher Karl Brenke, of which I have long been convinced by the many contributions to the discussion in this blog (see also here!) (Or at least that it is not [...]

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7. VDI study speaks of engineering bottleneck: shortage of skilled workers or not? | Profession pictures by Simone Janson

   [...] Despite the global crisis, 34.000 engineering positions could not be filled last year. This is shown by a study by the Association of German Engineers. Their results are in stark contrast to the statements on my blog. [...]

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8. Embarrassing dispute over DIW study, media crime and successful crowdsourcing: shortage of skilled workers or not? | Profession pictures by Simone Janson

   [...] Wirtschaftsforschung (DIW) says labor market researcher Karl Brenke, of which I have long been convinced by the many contributions to the discussion in this blog (see also here!) (Or at least that [...]

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9. My reply to career specialist Svenja Hofert: Why are some people just not successful? | Profession pictures by Simone Janson

   […] For example: Some of the engineers who desperately cannot get a job in Germany found something abroad (Sweden or Switzerland) relatively quickly (just read this comment). [...]

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10. N.Lorenz

    I have studied one or two apprenticeship as a mechanic, an industrial master, and then an engineering degree in automation engineering. Before I was as a mechanic constantly handed over by time companies among other things also in companies in Airbus or Phillipps. And 2 years after the study had worked as an engineer in the development and still a Zusansqualifizierung in SPSprogramming.

    But at the moment I am unemployed and threaten to slip in Hartz V. I do not even think about the time work a job.Ironician me even the constant job change over the time work to the doom since I can do anything from anything, but nothing right by strangers). The high requirements that some companies have can only be acquired through expensive internal training or in companies directly by practice. Are there only interchangeable specialists who are no longer available on the market?

    I have to say that the Herr von Bayer speaks precisely that appeals to good grades and speedy studying. This is me however because of the background as I finance my studies have not always been possible. In addition, I have only a Hauptschulabschluss which I have a fluent English did not allow. I do a lot of what English is about to catch up, but the application of English is missing in practice. This is exactly what I complain about. An ideal engineer is so successful in an eien group learned professional experience collected in an area and then a study with very well completed. Unfortunately, it is always forgotten that behind the work is still a private life and not to whom you are studying self-reliant or in the circumstance in which I was.

    Well, my certificates are not that bad either, and I also bring one with a passion for technology and now also for programming. And that is exactly what makes an engineer who understands technology and has a connection to practice. You definitely have the knowledge to familiarize yourself with software. And that is much more authentic in my eyes. Nonetheless, I was able to read that the selection criteria “not accepted” go much further.

    Unfortunately, arrogance and arrogance has established itself in such large conglomerates, where I actually question whether these have not been spoiled in recent years by interchangeable specialists through time work. I am talking not only by engineers but also by mechanics and electricians. Interchangeable specialists too little money also serves to counteract the influence of the trade unions in the right of co-determination as regards labor rights and wages, since there will be less and fewer permanent staff. And this can be confirmed by my own experiences and observations which I have made in some companies.

    But if we do not watch the freshly educated or graduates or even unemployed technicians come back to work, or in 7eitfirmen are used abroad or constantly changing. then know us lost anyway. At least it will no longer give the interchangeable specialists. At some point, however, this will benefit the foreign countries and leave behind German companies. Who cries to experts is, in my opinion, all the service providers the requested people no longer find. This can be observed when the job market is pursued a little.

    Only the rumge about unemployment statistics and my great export profits are sold as positive. We have very little of this as an employee. If companies on the one hand benefit from short cuts and other fiscal gifts from the state through subsidies, collective bargaining companies, then they have a damned social responsibility to bear.

    What I want is a workplace with a reasonable salary and more importantly with a perspective and opportunity for personal and professional development. This seems to me, has become more and more in Germany (but also in Europe) more and more. Sadly, some of them are still benefiting, and in proportion to the amount of their foes. Especially in Europe, the question arises when many people go abroad or where specialists from abroad are brought, whether the tolerance and the acceptance of European peoples is really given. But it is indispensable in my own eyes for a united Europe.

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11. AF

    Good morning Mrs. Janson, I had tried to write you on Xing, but this was not possible. Thank you for the critical article on the subject of professional defenses.

    What I can contribute to this comes from the point of view of a self-employed person who is now well established, but has also already been employed in temporary employment because we unfortunately live in a society that is in the process of being cut - subject to outsourcing and staff reduction. The companies live on credit and only hire employees on a temporary basis in order to reduce them again in good time because they can no longer afford the responsibility and long-term salaries resulting from pensions for older people. The temporary employment agencies in the engineering sector are multiplying like rats, especially in the Nuremberg area and other metropolitan areas around large companies. There is a tough fight for every euro there - I see it every day, because as a project manager I now have to deal with the sheep and their wolves.

    A shortage exists only in very specific areas, where engineers are sought, who are willing to afford for relatively little money, unpleasant thing. And the engineering profession has become unpleasant in many places: time pressure, legal problems, documentation constraints and imminent dismantling with 50. Who wants to do it? Correct thinkers have long been no longer an engineer, but migrate to banks, IT, or the patent offices of lawyers. many also study BWM to go to the administration. The delicate stories are made by us self-employed, the broad masses of a few beginners, foreigners and temporary workers, who have to exploit themselves at the pressure of the ARGE.

    I talked my sons off to become an engineer. With good reason. They study law, economics and economics and build their electronics and software along side, so they can have a say, if they then as 25 year-old young project manager, the 40 year old engineers strietzeln, as I was sometimes and goes.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello AF,
       thank you for the story - and congratulations on your successful independence. If I publish something on the subject in other media, I'll be happy to get in touch with you.
       That an anti-VDI initiative was launched and new figures were released in the meantime, have you seen?

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12. Wolfgang

    The performance
    Am 52 J, male, ver., 2 adult children, 3 cats.
    should be soberichticht in job interviews.

    Clearly the age is important, gender, family status, number of children also.
    The mention of the three cats suggests what is really important to the applicant.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Wolfgang,
       You may not be wrong in pointing out optimal self-marketing. The problem is probably more complex:
       Simone Janson

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13. Erwin

    Hi
    I've landed on imgriff.com here
    What strikes me personally in the whole discussion is the, almost inadequate, hold on to a job in Germany.
    The idea of ​​the EU has probably not yet arrived.
    I work in Switzerland and Austria and live in Sweden (ABB)
    And come from Lower Saxony …………

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Erwin,
       since you are right, of course. On the other hand, it is also politically about how it can be that in times of alleged professional deficit, well-educated people have to emigrate abroad.

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14. Simone Janson

    @ SvenjaHofert jein .. I am after violent discussions in the blog is not sure whether one can see as a single case

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15. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Petzel,
    thank you for your report. I can not get a job for you, I'm afraid here in this blog. To exclude that someone is reading, but it is not. Surely your situation is not easy, but I dare to say that Hartz IV does not necessarily mean the end of life.

    Here are two examples:
    Someone I know personally:
    (below the third photo)

    Maybe starting a business would be an alternative? Maybe a Hartz IV self-help group helps to find new perspectives?
    Regards
    Simone Janson

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16. Hoger Petzel

    Good day.
    Am 52 J, male, ver., 2 adult children, 3 cats.
    From training, mechanic and process engineer.

    In 3 months I wrote “713”, I repeat “713” applications and had 51 interview interviews.

    I have neither a master nor any other exceptional features.

    In 2 weeks I fall into Hartz IV.

    Then life is over.

    There I will never get out again!

    The rule set does not provide an Internet connection.

    How should I apply?

    Please help!

    Greeting

    Mail: holger-petzel@t-online.de

    65232 Taunusstein

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17. Simone Janson

    Hello Karen,
    thanks for the hint. I just called DIW: Spiegel-Online probably only had an interim version of the weekly report, the final version of which will appear on Thursday. I'll get the proof tomorrow and then I'll see if that's really true. If so, of course that's a thing.
    In my opinion, this is not the only way to show that there is no big conspiracy theory on the topic, but above all a series of misunderstandings, also on the employer's side.
    Speaking of the study: Have you read that our co-author Monika also wants to commission a study on the subject and is still looking for suggestions:

    Greeting to Stockholm
    Simone Janson

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18. Karen

    Hallo,

    I happened to find an article on the internet this morning in "Spiegel online ”, which refutes a shortage of skilled workers in Germany. It is based on a current study by the DIW. I am very surprised that the DIW, an institution of the German economy, comes to this conclusion. Politics and business associations have always spoken of a blatant shortage of skilled workers. Unfortunately, the study itself is not printed. I sent the article to the press office (speak German) of my employer gemailt who were also amazed at the DIW's statement.
    link:

    Many greetings from Stockholm

    Karen

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19. Simone Janson

    New DIW study doubts # Shortage of skilled workers - something I've been discussing in the blog for months

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20. Simone Janson

    @habichthorn @alexbonde @StefanKaufmann Is there really a shortage of skilled workers? Discussion with those affected

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21. Marcus Marent

    Hi all,

    I would like to describe my path of pain. I completed my machine building in November 2009 and was on the job search until August 2010. My job search was partly offensive in which I had applied directly to certain positions and partly also defensive over personal mediators who had found my CV and other data for example on the sites monster.de and stepstone.de. Unfortunately, I came across 50 applications and 4 unsuccessful talks, one of them at a Diplompsychologist's university, to the realization that graduates do not get a chance in Germany. In most cases the refusal was justified by the fact that my qualifications did not fully meet the requirements. Well, I finished the studies with 2,4, but I also have a technical training and I finished my practical training abroad.

    At the beginning of August I applied to a company in Switzerland and then had two interviews at the beginning of September. Both conversations went very positively, whereupon I received the confirmation from the company for the position in question, which I will also take up on November 2st. I found both conversations to be extremely pleasant in contrast to the 1 conversations in Germany. I had an interview with an engineering service provider, to whom I had actually applied as a welding engineer, but then in the conversation it was said that the position as a welding engineer was no longer up to date, but they still wanted to consider me for some other positions. The conversation ended with the fact that afterwards I still hadn't been offered a specific position and they wanted to get in touch with me again in a few weeks. After 4 weeks one came Email with another invitation to an interview with the prospect of a job at Bosch in Feuerbach. There in the Email there was no specific job description and in the meantime I had received a confirmation of a master’s degree from a university of applied sciences, I gave the engineering service provider a rejection. When the prospects for a job as an engineer in Switzerland became more specific in September, I gave up my place at the university.

    I just hope that the decision as an engineer to go abroad was the right one and wish everyone of his luck as an academician or skilled worker abroad is looking a lot.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Marcus,
       thank you for your history and good luck in Switzerland. It is really sad to hear that in some countries abroad everything works much better.
       For everyone else, I have a nice story on the subject of alternative applications - maybe not necessarily transferable for everyone, but it shows that you can get into conversation with courage and initiative and even with a company as steeped in tradition as Daimler with unusual ideas can land: http://uknaus.posterous.com/ geht-gar-nicht-oder-doch

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22. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Topp, you can also subscribe to the thread. In the meantime I have proposed the topic to an editor, but she must first clarify with the editor-in-chief whether and to what extent names can also be mentioned - for legal reasons. In this respect, I would then like to approach one or the other as an interview partner.

    That with increasing specialization and the exact fit is certainly a big problem - which, for example, graduates of other fields have even more. In this case, it might be advisable not just to write applications, but to approach potential employers on your own initiative - this may result in a completely new job profile. Here is an example (in 2 parts) - albeit from a different subject:
    So you are not just bad, you just have not found the right pot / lid yet.

    But of course I also understand the complaint about the short-sightedness of companies: From this point of view, it doesn't matter what you are studying and with which specialization - it may be that the employers are looking for exactly that and two years later not again. What only helps is lifelong learning. In Germany, however, I see a monetary problem (who finances it? Employer or employee), but also a mentality problem: In Germany you do an apprenticeship and then you have to stick to it for a lifetime. The fact that you develop further, have new ideas, but that the job market also needs new specifications faster than the universities can “deliver” - that is still comparatively new and initially meets with rejection.

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23. John Topp

    Hello again,

    I do not have a link to the article in the Neue Westfälische Zeitung.

    Since there were two rejections in the e-mailbox on Monday, I remembered this blog again. I believe that employers are now looking for a much more specialized workforce than they used to be. It used to be enough to be a mechanical engineer to fill a technical position. A lack of specialist knowledge was then obtained on-the-job ”. Today we are looking for engineers in mechanical engineering specializing in production technology with a specialization in machining for the construction of a 5-axis CNC milling machine. This annoying development is also made clear by the fact that more and more universities of applied sciences are offering more and more specialized courses. Today, employers no longer want to invest in staff, but keep searching until they find exactly the right piece of the puzzle with the right corners. No wonder you then scream “skills shortage”. And on the other hand, there are thousands of engineers waiting to be molded.

    With a degree of 1,9 and a foreign semester in Australia, a Cambridge-English certificate and two other foreign languages, work and SHK activities, I seem to be too bad.

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24. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Topp, thank you for the link and the attribution: Would they possibly have a link to the article in the New Westphalian newspaper? This could then perhaps be exploited in an article.
    In addition, “wrapped in cotton wool” is the right keyword: My impression is that this no longer applies to any industry today. That is why I increasingly find that you should just do what you feel like doing right away.
    gruß
    Simone Janson

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25. John Topp

    Hi all.

    As a student with a degree in industrial engineering, mechanical engineering, for a long time I felt like I was “wrapped up in cotton wool” because of the everyday articles in the news about my career opportunities.

    In the last two months, when writing my applications, I feel that I have a job guarantee as a Wing, and I am increasingly blown away. Meanwhile, I am glad to receive any feedback on my applications.

    The more one deals with the subject of career entry as a (host) engineer and the subject of shortage of skilled workers, the more one becomes aware of the fairy tale. In keeping with this, I stumbled across a report on the chances of an industrial engineer writing that you could negotiate your salary up because you're supposed to be in such demand.

    The link to the article: http://www.blog.de/tb/a/r/berufsstart/spitze-einstiegsgehaelter-wirtschaftsingenieur/6190337/

    … In this regard, I wonder how unworldly the author of the article is or what data he is using.

    The Neue Westfälische Zeitung recently reported a report on the company Böllhoff from Bielefeld, where it was reported that Böllhoff was stepping up again. At the same time, a study colleague in this company had a conversation in which he was offered a project manager assistance with one, and it was directly communicated, 60 hour week. However, over a personnel service provider for 38.000 € in the year, because Böllhoff itself had attitude stop.

    Employers are usually quite big in taking and often quite bad in giving.

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26. Simone Janson

    Thanks for the text in Markt & Technik. As soon as I have some breathing space, I will finally pursue the subject.
    After Latin America, I have a few contacts, but no good and not too German :-) But look here: http://www.auswandererforum.de/forumdisplay.php?f=100

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27. Michael Brand

    Hello Mrs. Janson,
    I want to respond to your reference to Wirtschaftswoche as follows: A few years ago in a similar situation, an article I wrote was published in “Markt & Technik”. I have attached this at the end of my post, see below.
    So I want to leave it as well.
    Your question about Spain is not quite right. I do not intend to emigrate to the EU. Way too expensive! I am more interested in South America because of the low cost of living on the one hand and on the other hand the many opportunities to build a new life together with a milder climate. The stringent regulations in the EU are against me. They have to bring a lot of money to realize anything.

    PS: It would be interesting to hear from people who have already lived abroad for a few years and said good-bye to their homeland.

    Attachment:
    My published article in Markt & Technik about the study at that time.
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    “… I cannot understand your article on the situation of medium-sized companies with regard to the lack of engineers. On the contrary, German industry seems to be doing extremely well in this regard. I am a graduate engineer myself. in electrical engineering at the age of 43, have an above-average university degree, and have mainly worked in communications technology (high frequency). After my company went bankrupt in 1996, it was almost impossible to find a suitable job, even if your income was constantly stagnating or even falling. Even the attempt to change this situation through independence and self-taught training is just as hopeless. German companies are generally not ready to outsource development services.
    Since the beginning of this year, I have been searching the 3 months for the entire job market via the Internet from East to West, and from North to South Germany. Of the approximately 3500 searched vacancies for technical professions (half of all advertisements are no longer valid) just 3 dozens of potential tenders remained.
    Even the highly praised personnel brokerage firms are not even in a position to arrange a talk at all.
    On the basis of my own experience as well as my considerable number of contacts with personnel mediators, I can also give you the main reasons which have been expressed directly against me:
    - age max. 40 better under 35.
    - Independence is the killer criterion. Anyone who has been self-employed is not able to work in a team.
    - only employees from the region wanted.
    - Complete lack of understanding in the companies concerned and in society in general if you are virtually unemployed and cannot find a job.

    Once you have cleared the hurdle of becoming the HR manager, the end of the conversation with the specialist department at the latest. No wonder, because there are “so-called” executives who are significantly younger and inexperienced and who fear the competence of an applicant.
    On the other hand, due to the personal interests of the business unit managers, entire functioning departments or companies are relocated, as I can show you in the example Blaupunkt (relocation from Berlin to Hildesheim).
    It does not come as a surprise that the employees concerned are not involved.
    Or, as in the example of Siemens in Salzgitter, engineers were initially hired by other companies with extensive advertising campaigns (even leaflets clipped under the windscreen wipers) to close down the entire development areas after not even 1 year.

    It would be nice, Ms. XXXXXXX, if you might publish my reply. Not only I, but also other engineers I know would be grateful for this. It is finally time to correctly portray the true conditions within Germany, instead of joining the "media hubbub" of missing specialists ... "
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28. Michael Brand

    Hallo,
    still an addition to the timescale engineering deficiency. I just got an e-mail from the company i-bcs.
    I quote:
    “… We would like to thank you for sending us your application and the interest in our company.

    The review and comparison of your qualifications with the vacancies will take some time, as the current number of applicants is above the usual average. In the meantime, we ask for your patience, we will get in touch with you as soon as possible. "

    Can anyone explain to me??????????????????????????????????????

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Mr. Brand,
       thank you for your contribution and this last note including naming the company - I can really do something with that for a change.
       The Wirtschaftswoche has also recently opened up with the specialists, which might be a contact person.
       Besides, I'm interested in why Spain should be? But only because of the weather or do you have concrete professional plans?
       gruß
       Simone Janson

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29. Michael Brand

    Hallo,
    I came across this page by chance and would also like to share my “objective” contribution.
    Lack of engineers in D? -> Absolute nonsense.
    I myself (electrical engineer and again released in late March) is 49 years old.
    Years ago I “outed” myself to this fairy tale in a specialist magazine, naming well-known companies.
    My professional career after an above-average TU-degree followed in development / marketing and self-employment. I have a wide range of specialist knowledge, have trained myself and have the latest state of the art!
    After times again over 50 applications I now put my search into D!
    Reasons for this have been mentioned to me by some headhunters:
    - Age ideally 30 but max. 40. 50 year olds will be sorted out immediately (just nobody says that openly and I don't know any active ones anymore ...)
    - Independence in between = killer criterion. Better to sit around at home and do nothing!
    - too expensive compared to newcomers = no comment

    I've given up my independence twice and could bite my A… for it. My last employer (for a good 5 years) had lured me with a “pension job” over 700km away from Bavaria. Now they supposedly no longer needed me and away with it! Two years ago I was given an extraordinary raise in salary based on my performance. It was more likely that 2% left the company within a year. I can only be annoyed that at that time I did not pursue a lucrative job offer for loyal reasons to the company ...
    I could now write a book about attitudes and lay-offs in my industry, but this would be beyond the scope!
    I am now starting to deal SERIOUSLY with emigration -> H4 threatens and who wants that, after all, I financed my studies myself!
    I can only advise all young people against studying engineering of any kind !! What many do not know: only every 25th engineer reaches the age of 60 in a German company, ... and those are the managing directors?! ...
    I would be happy if a real discussion finally got going on this topic ... On the other hand, I don't care anymore because I dislike this lying company. After a long period of hesitation, the decision to EMIGRATE has finally matured!

    PS: I am looking forward to my Spanish course and warmer climate!

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30. Karen

    Hallo,

    a colleague has called me to a link:

    http://www.wohin-auswandern.de/auswandern-schweden

    Here, too, opinions about life in the respective country of emigration are reproduced, not only for Sweden.

    Perhaps that helps someone who wants to leave Germany.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Dear Karen, thank you for the really useful tip. I really plan to write something on the subject - sorry that it takes so long, unfortunately there are other topics that are just as pressing.
       Greeting to Sweden
       Simone Janson

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31. Karen

    Hallo,

    I have followed the development of the specialist market in Germany on the Internet for some time. I must confess that I am very glad not to live in Germany anymore. According to the statements made by the business associations and the policy on subjects like the influx of skilled workers (especially Mr Brüderle and Mr Walther), I can understand the growing departure of specialists from Germany. Sweden does not understand the policy and the economy. Instead of holding the skilled workers in their own country and investing in education, they call for cheap specialists from abroad who are not coming to Germany. Germany has a very bad reputation abroad and is equated with a country with a country that acts very recklessly. This is a great pity, because the social market economy brought Germany a strong domestic economy and prosperity. Today, unfortunately, there is not much of this social market economy available, and countries that have adopted this model and are still practicing have a lot of power from Germany.
    I did not regret my decision to return to Germany for a minute and would always do it again.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Karen,
       It's nice to hear from you again. Yes, one can only shake one's head at such a short-term perspective. The argument is always that money is scarce and therefore needs to be cut on social issues - what do you think is going differently in Sweden? A comparison between Germany and Sweden would really interest me.
       gruß
       SJ

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    2. Jemand

       Hello Karen, in southern Europe, Germany has an excellent reputation.
       But people do not understand that in their own way. Neither in Germany nor in Spain do the locals understand why their own specialists are not here. Well, that means, one understands it already: it is about job cuts and finished.

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32. michael

    Since over a year I have been searching a poosition that utilized the knowledge I attained during my Master's study in Information technology / informatik (information assurance specialization) and there are no potential employeers. It is starting to appear that this shortage of skilled workers thing is just some smoke or maybe it is true and employeers (HR individuals) are not flexible enough to fill the holes.

    I am a student, and I am a student. It is depressing to see the world. I mean, it is hard to be. Oh well I guess it's my fault.

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    1. Simone Janson

       Thank you Micheal for your experience. For some mistake, I came out in the right way.
       Surely, it's another sad problem that it's less easy to be flexible having family. But thats a problem of all employeers. Maybee, in a few years, it doesn't matter anymore wher we live. But ok, for the moment ..

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33. Betti

    Hallo,
    I'm female ; soon finished with my mechanical engineering and would like to work in Sweden right away. Would be nice if I could get a few tips, since I also have already noticed that in Sweden hardly places so are expelled. I also have an apprenticeship as an industrial mechanic, which is useful in Sweden

    greeting Betti

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hi Betti,
       Thank you for your constructive contribution - I think it's great if you take the initiative right away. I think Karen will get this message. If you have given your correct e-mail, I can also forward it and bring you in contact with each other.
       I would like to write an article on the subject of “Working in Sweden” ...

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34. Simone Janson

    Hello Marek,
    thank you for your very factual report. I can understand your frustration, especially if you have studied the subject primarily because of the career prospects. Would you be interested in being interviewed about your experiences (but with your full name ..)? Then maybe you could put the topic in one or the other newspaper ...

    gruß
    Simone Janson

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35. Marek

    Hi all,

    I have also been looking for a job for several months after successfully completing my FH degree (grade 1,3 in the standard period of study). I wrote a lot of (also unsolicited) applications and so far only got rejections. ALWAYS on the grounds that there is currently no vacancy! How can that be, since there is a lack of engineers and there is a lot of limb struggling to find engineers? Some applications are still open, but I am increasingly pessimistic that I will get a reasonable offer. In addition to disappointment, fear is slowly spreading. If I had known that beforehand, I would never have studied! The promises that if you perform very well you will have very good job prospects are absolutely misleading.

    Best regards,

    Marek

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36. Simone Janson

    Hello Haha,
    Apart from the fact that I would really find real names more meaningful, you are addressing an interesting point: the universities, which are responding to the subject by creating new courses, expanding certain subjects, and so on. Of course, this also makes sense if the money is invested wisely. But if not, it is of course missing elsewhere ...

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37. Haha

    I read through the comments once. My experience (E-technology> 10a BE different industries, live in a so-called high-tech region since> 1a without a job prospect.
    1. Employer min. 100% fit, not even a small time to work (statement of personal mediator)
    2. high spatial flexibility required
    3. Offers for partners with academic training with their own spatial flexibility: mostly misrepresentation
    4. Confirmation of the application or early cancellation: misrepresentation
    5. Competition under so-called service providers (at least 2DL with about 3-4 applicants)
    DL mostly without idea what the customer wants and this is with
    I am of the opinion, if the AG does not give a chance to the induction you need no specialists.
    The best example: The development of study programs in smaller and smaller specialization directions
    e.g. “Designer of fender Porsche 996 rear left” or similar

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38. damaged

    "So where does this discrepancy come from?"
    Would say: "Or are there really not as many vacancies as is commonly claimed?"

    I went through the times of “great engineering popularity” in 2000. At that time - unlike my friend the law graduate - I didn't feel like someone was kissing my feet, but at least the companies were ACTIVE to take care of you. That was a time window of 6 months, then the spook was over.

    In the engineering labor market, as in any market, there is a lack of transparency, unsuitable “products”, local shortages, etc. But on average, this is no reason to open a barrel about the Ingi shortage. IMHO there must be something else to it, but what?

    I guess it's primarily about salaries. They should go down, but engineers are not exactly well-paid industrial workers. I'm talking about generation <40, not today's 50-year-olds. They are doing rather well - if they still have a job.

    One "advice" to companies regarding the lack of engineers was always: use the older engineers. There are politicians who want to abolish partial retirement so that not so many engineers disappear "early". The funny thing is: who knows an engineer who left voluntarily and was not forced out by the company? We have quarterly appeals: "It is possible so that we can secure jobs for younger people."

    Has anyone times the statements of the IW for the economic damage of the engineer deficiency observed? They range from 20 billion / year to (now) 1 billion. Bullshit bingo anyone?

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39. Simone Janson

    Thanks for the hint. I'll be back soon!

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40. E-Tech-Ing. graduate

    Good morning Mrs. Janson,
    I stumbled on this page by chance.
    When you first-hand information from the employee's side
    I can recommend the following forum:
    http://www.mikrocontroller.net/forum/ausbildung-studium-beruf
    Almost weekly the reports on the
    “Lack of engineers” and the MINT crisis discussed.
    A registration is not necessary, it can also
    anonymously.

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41. Simone Janson

    Dear co-authors,
    in our discussion, after a short break, there is again a very interesting contribution, this time by Jürgen Bühler, head of the Alma-Mater Personalvermittlung. His statement: There are different phases in which companies can choose to deliver a War of Talents or to save their programs.

    For reasons of clarity, the discussion would like to contract on this blog post. Also, for the sake of clarity, I've, by the way, multiple comments and tweets separated from each other, as you can now click on a button on a seperate page.

    I am looking forward to further stimulated discussion if there is still interest.
    Simone Janson

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42. Simone Janson

    Hi all,
    I'm currently on vacation and therefore only online sporadically - I won't be fully back until the 19th ... but two notes in between:
    @ Karen: I think that with the passion is a very nice argument. It's not that easy for everyone, it always depends on whether what you like to do is actually needed. Therefore, as they write correctly, one must also make compromises. On the other hand, you yourself are more convinced of what you like to do - and can convince others with it ... a philosophical problem that I will certainly deal with again soon ...
    @Jochen: Unfortunately there are two threads and that from the beginning ... it was stupid to open this second post, but I also wanted to make people aware of the topic. And then both threads continued to run at the same time and I didn't want to write with a raised index finger every time “please post somewhere else ..” Well, that's not a discussion culture ... Now, when reading, it's best to read both threads ...
    I'll have another look at the tweets when I get home ...
    They are displayed automatically, but perhaps you can add a hint.
    Because it is really simple: You do not have to click on it, people twitter the post simply because they felted them and you can see in the blog, who in the discussion still read everything without comment. I think this is quite practical.
    The discussion takes place only in this blog and not additionally on Twitter. If you still want to read what is written on Twitter, you can click on the word “Twitter” ...
    Many greetings to Germany
    Simone Janson

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43. Karen

    @ Injured:

    You can not make your life dependent on money. To work his whole life in a profession that is not necessarily fulfilling and which has only been chosen because of "high" earnings prospects is also not a solution. One should seize the profession that lies with one and then possibly also seize opportunities in another country. Satisfaction you can not buy.
    In Sweden, for example, German engineers are currently still open with open arms. It should be noted, however, that most of the posts are not publicly advertised in Sweden and that they should be addressed directly to the companies. But it's worth it.

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44. Jochen

    Oh, then I probably synonymous under an old discussion my contribution:

    Hello Mrs. Janson,

    I can not understand the whole discussion by the link to Twitter. When I click on the name of the person, I get to their Twitter page, but what contribution to this discussion does not reveal itself to me.
    I find the discussion about Twitter cumbersome, incomprehensible and superfluous. Where is the problem, not directly here in the blog his comment?
    It would be better in my opinion to run the discussion only on this blog and forget about Twitter. ;-)

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45. damaged

    Sorry, had posted under the older article, so here again (I could not link):

    So please! There is NO engineering deficiency. The demographic change will be eaten by the outsourcing of jobs abroad. Time work is the future of the remaining engineers. If any future still exists. At the same time, the engineers should work the first 5 years without payment. And from 50 please immediately go voluntarily. I have never seen an engineer retire regularly. And the part-time of the old days did not take my ex-colleagues voluntarily because they were so well cared for - but because it was very close to them ... alone who 5 years "too early" must go times should count how much the engineering profession against the banker's job. In fact, not only was the "fun" to spend the rest of his life on glowing coals to get the hardest job and to get NO praise, recognition, etc. - except for colleagues, who also know that the MINTler is oh so important in the world ,

    Incidentally, my polemic is as good as that of the interest groups, industrial lobby and the haphazard policy. If I again the phrase "is today already foreseeable that a shortage of skilled workers will threaten" I will puke.

    People, make you a beautiful life (or have a life at all) and study what is g'scheites, but not MINT. Chinese and Indian are already doing this for us (O-tone of a high manager of an international group).

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    1. Simone Janson

       No problem, anyone interested in this topic, should read both threads anyway.
       As the discussion reappears, I will pass this on to a few colleagues.
       Meanwhile, although I'm not an engineer, I'm living a good life and I'm going to travel for a few days from tomorrow :-) (but you can continue to discuss in the meantime)

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46. Simone Janson

    Hello Harald,
    I have full understanding that people will want to remain unrecognized, for fear of getting problems with the next application.
    But what I criticize is that you just can not do both: remain undetected and change the situation. And expect other people to take the inconvenience for you. Incidentally, I am also concerned here with people who, on the one hand, declare themselves ready for an interview but also want to remain unrecognized.
    There may be colleagues who do not bother with anonymous interviewees, maybe I know someone there, but that's a problem for my work.
    Simone

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47. Harald

    Hello Simone,

    many may not want to give their full name, because they fear the employer (possibly future) might know about it and they could get problems etc.
    On the other hand, who guarantees that the full name also corresponds to the truth?
    I think this kind of discussion will always be based on trust. In order to substantiate the facts, all that remains is a private contact (e.g. email) of the person concerned. For example the interview with Christian.

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48. Simone Janson

    Hello Karen,
    thanks for the link!

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49. Karen

    Hallo,

    I have just listened to a recording of a program on SWR2 on the Internet on the topic: Standardized work and uncertain prospects - highly qualified people under pressure.

    The broadcast was from the 17. April 2010, 12: 40: 00 | info@swr2.de (Roling Bernd)

    The content is quite informative and also very objective.

    Link:

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50. Simone Janson

    Thank you Karl for your experiences.

    I must unfortunately get rid of something from the current occasion for the discussion here: If I ask for an interview partner, then I assume, of course, that the people also have no problem to be named by name!

    Otherwise I could just write down your experience reports - but what kind of journalism would that be? This is what is done in certain tabloid media with a corresponding lurid presentation - but who takes them seriously? At least not the people you care about.

    Using the clam is also a problem of credibility and authenticity: you want to draw the world's attention to a problem. But if you do not take the responsibility for what is being said and you want to push someone else into the shoes, you will not be taken seriously. People say then: Oh yes, again a few complaints from some forums, which are upset about something.

    Apart from this, the only one who has so far named his full name and position in the discussion was Bernd Schmitz from Bayer.

    I understand that this is asking a lot - but you are also asking something from the other side.

    By the way, there are blogs that simply delete all comments on cover names ... to be honest, I'm currently thinking about introducing that too!

    Simone Janson

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51. Karl

    I will soon be finished with my vehicle engineering studies, and I know a lot of people who have finished their studies in the last couple of semesters and the situation looks VERY BAD, at all engineering courses.

    Most of the diploma graduates then have to go on with their masters because there are no jobs for graduates at all.

    As a graduate you do not have many options at the moment:

    - If you are lucky you will be taken over by the company where you wrote your thesis

    - Try to make use of family contacts or companies where you worked as an intern

    - Keep studying

    Applying “cold” for jobs is pointless at the moment, unless you really belong to the top 1% of the course. An average student like me (2 foreign languages, internships, working student activity, international experience but unfortunately an average of 2, x areas and the standard period of study exceeded) currently have no chance.

    What I will do when I am done and what I would recommend to every graduate: 1-2 months apply and if it does not work abroad!

    Abroad, you are a qualified engineer. I know a lot of graduates who have emigrated because they are much more appreciated abroad, so after a few initiative applications, they have come to a job.

    I think the problem has to do not only with the economic situation, but also with the DEUTSCHE DENKWEISE.

    In Germany, the personnel always work with the assumption that most of the applicants tend to be a RISK for the company if one does not meet 100% of the (partly unrealistic) requirements. Abroad, you are much more relaxed and you also give the people a chance.

    So in the end nothing like away from Germany!

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52. Christian

    Yesterday on the broadcaster of the Bavarian Broadcasting Corporation discovered a program “Money & Life”. The homepage of yesterday's broadcast:

    You can watch this show in the media library:

    there click on all programs on the left, on the letter “G” and then on “Money & Life” to watch yesterday's program. Subject was:
    “Hiring and Firing - Jobs Without a Guarantee”. Particularly interesting for graduates is the fate of a business administration student who now works as a waiter again from the 7th minute.

    Hurry is announced I believe the have this broadcast only 2 weeks online since no archive!

    It's an impertinence what's happening here in Germany right now!

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53. Christian

    Oh, I'm not in such a hurry. Just thought that I can adjust to it. Just let me know. That fits then;)

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54. Simone Janson

    Hi Christian,
    Please be patient. I have just moved, a lot of work has been left.
    Then I have to clarify with the editors.
    Of course, I can also send questions by email and you answer them in writing - then it's faster ...
    gruß
    Simone

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55. Christian

    I'm still waiting for a date for the interview, I wanted to say by the way;)

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56. Simone Janson

    But somehow it also fit well ... if you still know what it was, you could link it .. would fit well ...
    Hello
    Simone

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57. Christian

    What else is not yours. I was still open in the tab in the browser and thought that would be the article :)

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58. Simone Janson

    And what article did you comment on?
    gruß
    Simone

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59. Christian

    ups wrong article clicked :)

    The comment above referred to another article.
    On the right article I can only underline what you can not find in Germany, you get cheap elsewhere. Unfortunately!

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60. Christian

    I mean that their job is to give as a media person hope even if none is. What would tomorrow be in every newspaper would she tell the truth? I guess the politicians know they know what's going on. Only, as already mentioned they would admit that many party-sending friends should jump off one should call them. Therefore, always keep the face beautiful, because what the citizen does not know does not make him hot and also does not harm the party.
    On the other hand, what happens to Germany would really happen what is constantly in the media regarding the shortage of skilled workers. Before investing in training or further education here, companies would graze abroad for cheap low-budget workers. This is already the case in the software industry. At the moment to India (they are already too expensive) very popular in Romania ...

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61. Simone Janson

    Your opinion on this?
    

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62. Christian

    I will make it so, a report I write after the interview gladly in the forum of course because of the really many experiences would be too large and therefore somewhat more compressed the key points.

    Wait therefore now for an appointment for the interview :)

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63. Simone Janson

    Hello Harald,
    No, the Twitter links go to this page here. If you click on the respective commentator in the Twitter links, you get out at Twitter.
    You will then see that the comments show only what is displayed here in the blog, so you do not have to click around. Roger that?
    Sorry for the confusion.
    @Christian: You can do as you want. I also like to publish my experiences here in the blog. But if you like to do an interview, maybe 1-2 media is also interesting.
    Simone

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64. Harald

    @Christian

    You can also write down your experiences in this forum: www.ig-ing.de.
    It would be very helpful for other affected people who are facing a similar fate or already sharing it.

    @Simone

    Sorry, but for me the Twitter links lead nowhere. Either I'm too clueless or it's because of the system.

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65. Christian

    As I said it would be even right to report about ignorant about how to go as a graduate on job search.

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66. Simone Janson

    Hello Christian,
    thank you for your offer: if you like, I will do an interview with you on the subject: Experiences of a university graduate / a specialist on job search. I would like to send you an email to the given address.
    gruß
    Simone Janson

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67. Christian

    Hello Mrs. Janson,

    I would be interested in whether you can write a very detailed account of the situation as a university graduate on this topic. I have one year of professional experience (resignation due to economic situation), I am a graduate computer scientist (FH) (with 1,7, no one thinks that someone has a 4 in the diploma) also have a commercial training, SAP certificate (you should also have the It always means looking outside the box) and have been applying since February 2009 - unsuccessfully. So neither a fairy tale study as a town musician or something like that, but I am probably one of the MINT specialists when there is supposedly a shortage. During this time I have already experienced a lot that makes me believe in the common sense of people and therefore almost lost the hope that staff and managers have it. I am now a student again to do my master’s degree, which I don't really need or want. But I hope to escape the time and finally to be able to start my professional life afterwards.

    I am glad for an interview (Skype eg) because it is really very much what I have to report what both my first workplace and the treatment there concerns as well as the search for it. It is important for me to show people like companies (I like to call some big companies by name) to treat young, committed people without thinking about how their counterpart feels or what impact their actions have.

    You can contact me at the e-mail address provided.

    Regards

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68. Harald

    Hello Mrs. Janson,

    I think it's good that you opened this new discussion. However, I don't understand why I can't read some of the comments. Why are they linked to Twitter & Co.?
    I would be very interested in these comments, but I certainly do not sign up for these platforms. ;-)

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    1. Simone Janson

       Hello Harald,
       In addition to the comments, the so-called retweets from Twitter for the article in question are automatically displayed. You don't even need to log in to read them - what you see are the complete comments, which on Twitter cannot be longer than 140 characters. I wanted to show that my articles are also being discussed on Twitter and other platforms.
       By the way: in order to read tweets, you do not have to log in to Twitter, they are public.
       gruß
       Simone Janson

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69. Mark Brandis

    Then the probate antidote would be:

    1.) Investing much more in education (still being made too little by politics)
    2.) A more forward-looking staff policy (not done by many companies, only the next quarterly result, especially for stock corporations).

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70. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Brandis,
    this is presumably the whole misunderstanding: It is emanated from a future skilled labor deficit, which want to prevent politics and economy by now preemptively preempt the skilled labor defiance.
    gruß
    Simone Janson

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71. Mark Brandis

    It came in the news:

    “16 pm, Stuttgart.

    More and more university graduates and academics are leaving Baden-Württemberg and going abroad. There are 2200 annually, as shown in a study by the Tübingen Institute for Applied Economic Research. Economics Minister Pfister fears that Baden-Württemberg will lack around 2015 skilled workers by 250.000. The minister has stated that the state government wants to support skilled workers willing to return. One of the reasons for the brain drain is income. It is often 20 percent higher abroad. "

    My opinion: Pay the people reasonable wages, then they stay in the country!

    SWR news from the 24.03.2010, as MP3 for download:
    

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72. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Brandis,
    I thought we were already one step further in the other thread: namely that the companies should have a real advantage in keeping skilled workers in the country - which is apparently not the case at the moment.

    By the way, if you are interested, there are other posts on the working conditions of academics in this blog - namely a whole series of articles:

    gruß
    Simone Janson

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73. Mark Brandis

    You hear everywhere that a non-trivial number of German academics go abroad to work there. You have to ask yourself what the reasons are. If the working conditions in this country were the best in the world and everyone in Germany could find a suitable job, why should one emigrate ...

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74. Simone Janson

    My congratulations, I am glad for you!
    I will certainly take up the topic journalistically again - but I need some time for it.
    Good luck with the restart in Stockholm!
    Simone Janson

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75. Karen

    Hello Mrs. Janson,

    I'm back from Stockholm and have a permanent job with 6 months of probation in the suitcase. I was very pleasantly surprised by the presentation date. There was a factual but pleasant atmosphere. I am assisting with the accommodation and the formalities and takes part in the cost of accommodation during the probationary period. I am also offered a Swedish course because I have to learn the scheduling language. During the tour of the company they showed me some German colleagues who were very satisfied. I have the impression that the Swedish industry likes to go back to German specialists. One also praised the training of the German engineers. From my experience and the conversation with the German engineers working at this company I can recommend German MINT specialists Sweden as a pleasant country.

    Regards

    Karen

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76. Karen

    Hello Mrs. Janson,

    Yesterday evening I came across an objective study on the topic of “shortage of STEM professionals” on the internet. I think the study could be interesting.

    Many greetings from Stockholm

    Karen

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    1. Simone Janson

       Thanks for the hint. So you can start what already!
       Greeting and thumb-pressing to Stockholm
       Simone Janson

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77. Mark Brandis

    There wasn't so much polemics / emotionality here ... you have already experienced it quite differently on the Internet;)

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78. Simone Janson

    On the internet already ... not on my blog so far :-)
    Seriously: I am annoyed by this Niedermach discussion culture, as it occasionally (actually more than occasionally) prevails on the Internet and in the media. Often enough it ends in a wild verbal fight and every reasonable word seems to be a waste of time ...
    Fortunately this is not degenerated here.

    For companies, many of whom still have a problem with the open communication culture on the Internet, for example because every statement has to be approved by the PR department, something like that is then a bit harder. In this respect, I have a certain understanding for the individual employees that no one would lean unfavorably out of the window.

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79. Simone Janson

    #Fachkrafftemangel or not? 2 really great, factual comments by Bernd @ schmitz by Bayer #fb Thanks!

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80. Karen

    @ Simone Jansen:

    Hello Mrs. Jansen,

    I am very pleasantly surprised and must revise my opinion. I believe it was probably because of my application strategy. My compliment for your discussion and use.

    Regards

    Karen

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81. Karen

    @Bernd Schmitz:

    Hello Mr. Schmitz,

    thanks for your offer.
    I have an interview on Tuesday, 16.03, in Stockholm. The company has already sent me my e-ticket and the hotel reservation. I hope it will be successful.

    gruß

    Karen

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82. Simone Janson

    Mr. Schmitz, thank you for the detailed statement at a late hour!

    Love Karen,
    good luck with the interview - maybe you would also like to report (also afterwards, the topic “working in Sweden” would be very exciting for my blog as a separate post).
    Otherwise you have a plan B!

    To all: Otherwise, I am pleased that we could raise the discussion to a more objective level. Personally, I also received the feedback that the discussion is being conducted too emotionally to speak out, which of course I think is a pity. I am therefore pleased when constructive discussions emerge instead of polemic.
    gruß
    Simone Janson

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83. View Profile

    Oh, and Bayer Technologie Service (a provider of high-quality technology solutions for the chemical-pharmaceutical industry) and the first entry-level in the Bayer Group for Engineers, this year announced an increase in personnel requirements for engineers (about 100 positions).

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84. View Profile

    For Bayer I can say that we are constantly hiring new employees (in 2009 over 300 “Young Professionals / Academics” for Germany). A large proportion of them are graduates with an engineering degree. Personally, I would only speak of a shortage if vacancies cannot be filled in a reasonable time.

    We are constantly looking for engineers from all disciplines: chemical and process engineers, mechanical engineers, electronic engineers, construction engineers and architects, energy and supply technicians, biotechnologists, automation technicians and industrial engineers.
    University graduates with or without a doctorate as well as Fachhochschulingenieure (Bachelor / Master) are offered an entrance. We expect to be able to study quickly, with good grades and knowledge of English. In addition, we expect high operational readiness, self-initiative and good team and communication skills.

    Well, this should not be surprising.

    At Bayer, we have been able to fill all available vacancies with new employees. Maybe that's sometimes due to good HR marketing ;-)

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85. Mark Brandis

    Bayer currently lists about 20 jobs for engineers in Germany. That is praiseworthy. Of course, I would be surprised if such a big and well-known company does not receive thousands of applications a year altogether. There should be a few suitable people;)

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86. Simone Janson

    Hello Mr. Schmitz,
    thank you for the offer to Karen.
    Your statement that you currently have vacancies for engineers contradicts a little of Mr Bachmann's statement, according to which the specialists are currently being held down or there is a different definition of lack.
    Can you say something about it?
    Simone Janson

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87. Dominik Schwaab

    RT @SimoneJanson: Now Bayer has entered into the discussion about the specialist deficit #fb

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88. BitBoutique®

    Interesting commentary discussion about specialists, companies, self-employed, BrainDrain etc. @SimoneJanson

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89. Simone Janson

    Now, Bayer has joined the discussion about the professional deficit #fb

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90. View Profile

    Hello Karen, with regret I read here by chance from your desperate search for a job entry. I am the head of university marketing for Bayer in Germany. Bayer, as well as many other well-known companies, currently have vacancies for engineers. If you like send me your CV. I would be happy to give you a feedback. My contact details are:

    Mail: Bernd.Schmitz (at) Bayer-Ag.de

    or in Facebook easy

    or Twitter :-)

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91. Simone Janson

    Dear Discussants,
    after first feedback I ask for a few weeks patience, then maybe something. Unfortunately, everyone, including myself, has a lot to do at the moment.
    If you have provided your correct e-mail addresses, I will be happy to write to you. Of course you can also send them to me.
    Otherwise, just take a look.
    gruß
    Simone Janson

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92. Mark Brandis

    If studies financed by the employers claim what fits in best with the employer, it should not surprise anyone :-)

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93. Karen

    It is a pity. There is only silence on this issue among employers. It seems that the subject of “skilled workers” is completely uninteresting for the working group or is intended to document the silence in agreement with the MINT skilled workers lie.

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94. Simone Janson

    Interesting & well-founded comments & experience reports z. Discussion about the lack of skilled workers - more opinions are welcome! #fb

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95. Simone Janson

    The problem I see as a journalist is that there are no solid studies to back up what you say. So far I have four "individual fates" that describe their personal experiences - which of course nobody wants to deny you. Only the facts still seem thin to me.

    Sandra has expressed this very well in her comment: The problem is that, for example, graduates who do something else do not appear in the statistics (see.
    However, I will still consider whether and how the topic can be pursued, possibly also elsewhere.

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96. Simone Janson

    OK thank you for the info. Sorry for the insinuation. The problem with this discussion from the start has been that some things have been very generalized. Only after asking questions does the core gradually emerge. Polemics, however, reduce the willingness of the “other side” to participate in the discussion, which I still hope for. Plus, it's always nice to know who you're dealing with.

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97. Mark Brandis

    I don't suppose - I'm an engineer myself on short-time work ;-)

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98. Simone Janson

    Mr. Bachmann, many thanks for this detailed insiderreport! Me, or the readers, but would still be interested, where the information comes from: you are engineer I accept?

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99. Paul Bachmann

    No, what Mark Brandis says are not presumptions, but reality. Even before the crisis, the engineering sector was an ultra-hard business, only the high performers could make the real career and unfold. However, besides their talent, they have to give everything, in the engineering field there is no Vertun. Let's take the mechanical engineering, the most important industrial group for Germany's prosperity. Prior to the crisis, especially 2007 was at the Fachkräfttemangerede, actually always the mechanical engineering was first mentioned. And it is true, there were engineers tight, but there was never a shortage. There was always a prototype of mechanical engineers, if only a light one. It should also be borne in mind that many engineers have looked for a loophole after studying for lack of opportunities or other reasons. Nevertheless, there was a considerable number of unemployed mechanical engineers who the market did not want. Either too old, no knowledge required, no professional experience, etc. With the training on the part of employers it looks bad there, especially in middle class. Due to the export orientation and competition with the low-wage countries no expensive training is possible. The new employee has to run no later than 4 weeks and bring a return, otherwise the shift is in the shaft. Now through the crisis, the cottage is really burning. In the vehicle supply industry kitty whips and special machine construction has collapsed as never before in history.
    Both one of the largest fields of activity for engineers.
    And the bottom is still not reached, compare January 09 with January 2010. Even in 2009 one has tried with artificial pursuits not to send too many MINT-Abgänger into the unemployment. In Baden-Württemberg there is a short-time working model for graduates and in Bavaria a MINT bridge. However, the programs are only small and conditional.
    Also many experienced engineers are in short work, especially in the construction area.
    From my FH in RLP, after graduating in Mechanical Engineering in March, 2009 until the beginning of December, 2009 including myself DREIVIERTEL have been jobless. Through a ProfessorSuch exchanges, who in turn have contact with former students, can easily be identified. The reason why people continue to “scream” for shortages is that when the crisis is over at some point, they want a broad base of fresh offspring straight from the universities. The industry does not want the graduates who were previously burned. There was a similar situation in the early 90s, the only difference being that the permanent employees were also kicked out there. Today you try to keep people as long as possible, it only looks bad for newcomers or people who have just been released. Siemens, for example, has reduced the number of advertisements for MINT positions by 80%, but they still speak of a shortage. There is a deficiency when the applicant / job ratio is not 1000: 1, to put it bluntly.

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100. Mark Brandis

     One problem with this discussion is that there is no real interest representation for the workers' side of the engineers, computer scientists, etc. In this way, the employers' perspective is practically always presented in the media. But if you only rely on the information on one side, you miss the other half of the truth. In this respect, my praise to you, that you want to look at both sides of the medal.
     

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101. Simone Janson

     I see that we are slowly approaching a well-founded discussion - thank you gentlemen!
     @ Peter Meier: Here, too, a little less polemics and a little more objectivity of the discussion would do well. Maybe then the “other side” would also like to say something on the subject?
     I think your call for more initiative, independence and entrepreneurship is worth supporting. As a self-employed person - and that may be a question of perspective - I am not convinced that nowadays one can still expect permanent jobs, in whatever industry.
     @Mark Brandis: Your arguments sound logical - but in the end they are just guesses, I think.

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102. Mark Brandis

     The shortage of skilled employees is not as great as the employers like to claim.

     Evidence for this thesis:

     1.) Many engineers and computer scientists are not directly employed

     If it is claimed that engineers and computer scientists are so urgently needed, then the employers would have to offer them in any case permanent permanent positions, right? But is not so. Many positions in the big companies are only occupied by service providers. Actually, this is due to a mistake in accounting law: Personnel costs for external employees are not recorded as personnel costs, but as investment costs (CAPEX).
     Nonetheless, as an employer, you can't claim on the one hand that you urgently need skilled workers, and on the other hand you are not at all willing to employ them in a “real” employment relationship. That is a logical contradiction.

     2.) Salaries for skilled workers have dropped

     In the fundamentals of business administration one learns: If a good is scarce, and the demand for this good is high, its price increases. Therefore, the salaries of the so-called skilled workers would have to be constantly on the rise, right? But they are not.
     Even the VDI, which is generally more likely to be employer-friendly, indicates that the salaries for engineers have decreased by about 4% in recent years. This is in blatant contradiction to the supposedly serious shortage of specialists.

     3.) More women in engineering: where is flexibility?

     Don't you hear everywhere that you would like to have more female graduates in technical subjects? But what if an engineer wants to start a family at some point (many want that). Wouldn't she then need an employer who would give her a quick return to work? Exactly, she would need that. For once, you can guess in which area this flexibility is practically non-existent: in the engineering area. It is taken for granted that an engineer works full-time. How, does a graduate come and dare to ask about alternatives? Well, then you cancel her and hire a man instead. Even if the proportion of female graduates in technical subjects is already low, their proportion in the profession falls even further within a relatively few years. So much for the topic of “promoting women”.

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103. Peter Meier

     > Do graduates expect too much from companies?

     Rather, the companies expect too much from the graduates.

     But clearly, with such a massive over-offer - all the work has long since been outsourced to Cina, also the development activity - one can afford it, the companies say.

     Clearly, German academics who have been working in large companies for 30 years deserve a lot, perhaps more than their development activities, but blocking any new hires is not a good idea of ​​the companies. If you want to do something as an academician today, you have to become self-employed in special areas, and if successful, the big corporations buy him his company.

     Quite for a few EUR, but still cheaper than the whole to pay, which have nothing slaughter invented and developed to market maturity.

     Unfortunately, in this stingy way you slow down development, small companies have no capital and therefore cannot deal with big things. In addition, the selling price of most small companies is far too low “a million” for the risk of not having found anything to pay off.

     My tip to unemployed academics. Do something yourself. There is so much that still needs to be developed. And then blow away the established corporations. Look at Google, just because the established Altavista and Yahoo didn't want the Larry Page they have now been swept away. Just because Siemens did not want to make its cell phones freely programmable, Benq Mobilfunk is now bankrupt and Apple's iPhone is the benchmark. I know it's hard to survive without income. Take Hartz4, the risk of being referred is low.

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104. Frank P.

     RT @SimoneJanson: Freshly blogged: Shortage of skilled workers - a fairy tale? A job for the engineers Karen & Sandra

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105. Simone Janson

     Freshly blogged: Shortage of skilled workers - a fairy tale? A job for the engineers Karen & Sandra

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106. Björn Hübner

     RT @SimoneJanson: Discussion desired: The fairy tale of #fackraeftemangel when theory meets reality

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107. Simone Janson

     Discussion desired: The fairy tale of the #fackraeftemangel when theory meets reality 2 #Ingenieure on job search

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108. Competencepartner

     Shortage of skilled workers - a fairy tale? A job for the engineers Karen & Sandra: Among HR professionals who ...

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